News | October 16, 2024

Under the Lid. Emanuele Pirro

24H SERIES Q&A with five-time overall 24 Hours of Le Mans winner Emanuele Pirro
Words - James Gent , Images - Nico Mombaerts / Audi AG
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Few names are more synonymous with the 24 Hours of Le Mans than Emanuele Pirro. The Italian made his first 24-hour start at La Sarthe in 1981 aboard a Martini Racing Lancia Beta Monte Carlo before embarking on the run of his life upon his return as an Audi Sport factory driver in 1998. 

 

No, seriously. He won five times overall – only two men in-history have won more – finished on the outright podium another four times (including one class win), and, as of his last start in 2010, that nine-podium streak between 1999 and 2007 is still an event record! 

 

Away from Le Mans, the former Formula 3000 race winner ‘enjoyed’ a three-year in Formula 1 (including his famous role as McLaren test driver) before embarking on championship-winning campaigns in Italian Superturismo and the Super Tourenwagen Cup, and, of course, a very fruitful mid-2000s program in the American Le Mans Series. One that secured him two overall ALMS titles, and two wins at the Sebring 12 Hours. And did we mention his two wins at the famed Macau Grand Prix during a mid-90s run in the DTM?

 

Plenty of material there for his upcoming autobiography… oh, you didn’t know…?

Name?

“Emanuele Pirro.”

Age? You can lie about that if you want…

“62.”

Where and when was your first ever car race, and how old were you?

“I started racing in 1980. It was a Formula Fiat-Abarth, the equivalent of Formula 4 today. I was 18, which was the youngest you could be at that time.”

What is the best moment of your racing career so far?

“From 1980 until about 10 years ago when I retired from professional racing – it’s been a long journey! – I would say the highlights are my five wins at Le Mans. But it’s hard to pick just one. I’m grateful, and I’m really lucky that I made my passion become my profession. It’s been a great career, not just in terms of results but in terms of personal satisfaction and accomplishment.”

Image credit: Audi AG

Image credit: Audi AG

Apart from the Nürburgring – and La Sarthe, obviously! – which is your favourite circuit and why?

“If you really push me to pick one, I would say Suzuka in Japan. I like fast corners, and Suzuka is very demanding physically. You get a lot of G-forces there with a high-performance car, or a Formula 1 car. It’s a really beautiful circuit.

 

“I also like street circuits. A lot. Macau is a track I really enjoy.

 

“Generally, I like circuits that are old school. Circuits where, if you do something wrong, you don’t get away with it. Nowadays, in many places, when you make a small mistake, you just run wide and rejoin. This is not the way I like motorsport. Of course, we know the reason is safety, and no drivers should ever get hurt. But when you have a gravel bed, if you make a small mistake, you get stuck there. This is the way I think motorsport should be.”

Describe the strangest thing that’s ever happened to you at a motor race …

“This one is pretty funny! In a go-kart race, prior to my car career, we drove five hours from my [hometown] to do this race. I had to go and pee just prior to the main race, as everybody does. The main toilet was occupied, so I went to a remote toilet… and I got stuck!

 

“The loudspeaker was calling me – ‘Driver, Emanuele Pirro, is needed urgently! The race is about to start!’ – but I couldn’t get out. I was shouting and nobody could hear me, so the race took place without me. Now it’s funny, but at the time it was terrible!”

Describe your helmet design to us, and what it signifies…

“I can probably say I kept the same helmet design since my first year of racing. In those early years, keeping the same design was not an issue. I wanted a helmet with some particular [elements], so it would be spottable on-track. But also, I wanted a design that, if you put sponsorship on the front or the sides, the design would not be altered. And this is what I came up with. 

 

“The combination of the colours of the Italian flag, with all due respect to my country, I didn’t really like it. So this is… it’s more like the Dutch flag, really.” – How fitting! Ed. – “But it’s very ‘me.’ It’s simple and it’s my trademark,* and I’ve used it ever since.”

 

*We should point out that Emanuele’s son Cris, an F1 performance engineer for seven seasons with Sauber before his recent move to Alpine, was also competing at the 2024 Hankook 24H BARCELONA, and boasts a very similar design to his father, albeit with the colours reversed.

So you were never tempted to use a ‘special edition’ helmet after your Le Mans wins, for example…?

“Not really, no. Of course, I love modern racing in all areas, but I don’t like that you cannot recognise a driver by their helmet design nowadays. I appreciate drivers coming up with new designs because it must be really cool to come up with good ideas so often. But I think a helmet should be a real trademark for a driver: if you see a helmet but you don’t know who the driver is… [shrugs] 

 

“I’ve kept nearly all my helmets from my career. I don’t like to change equipment very often, so I often use a helmet for a long time. I used gloves for many races until I wore them out. For me, I’ve always associated worn-out gloves and equipment with a real professional, and brand-new sporting clothes with a beginner. Ever since I was a kid playing sports. So I never really wanted new stuff.

 

“In fact, it’s quite funny. I only race occasionally now, but this weekend, I am actually using a brand-new helmet for the first time! The one I had before that I used for five or six years, and it still has all the stickers from the important races I did, like Goodwood. It has a lot of [significance]. This one” – Emanuele gestures to his new helmet. – “will need to go a long way before reaching that [milestone]."

Image credit: Audi AG

Image credit: Audi AG

What is your greatest strength?

“For me, it’s probably my passion. I’ve been around in motorsport a lot, and now I’m here racing with a bunch of friends in a very… let’s say, im-professional operation. Not in a negative way. We’re just here to race with what we have, and we try to do the best we can. And this gives me a a lot of very, very big satisfaction. After a long career working with some very high-profile teams and manufacturers, I still enjoy this very much. This is probably the thing I like most about my character. 

 

“I wouldn’t have liked it I had [approached] my motorsport career like I was a spoiled kid: ‘either you pay me or I don’t come;’ ‘make sure the car is competitive, otherwise I won’t come.’ I’m happy with the way I took on my career.” 

If Hollywood made a movie about you, which actor would play you and why?

[Long pause, then chuckles] “You know why I’m laughing? My wife, like every long-term couple, we have a discussion about what movie we’ll watch in the evening. She’s very much influenced by the actor. But for me, if they’re a good actor, you should not see the face of that actor. You should only see their character. So, honestly, it could be anyone as long they play me properly.

 

“I am writing my own autobiography* – I might be the only sportsman who does it all by himself without help! – and I’ve really paid attention to things as they were. Maybe I’m sharing more weaknesses than strengths, but that’s okay. I don’t think I should look better than I actually am, so I wouldn’t like an actor to make me look and act better than I actually do. I won’t be picking Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt!”  

 

*Though he's still working on the title, Emanuele does admit that his autobiography is now into the proofreading stages, and he's very much looking forward to seeing it on-sale in the next year or so.

VIDEO INTERVIEW. Le Mans Legend Emanuele Pirro returns to the 24H SERIES!

 

This might seem a silly question, but what would you like to achieve before retiring, completely?

[Laughs] “My plan… actually, my dream, when I was a teenager, was to become a racing driver, but the plan was to stop between 25 and 28 years old, and then do something else. Being a professional racing driver and earning money, at that time, I did not think was realistic. So, I wanted to do something I liked when I was young, and then become successful in another job. Do something ‘proper’! That didn’t happen, of course. 

 

“I think motorsport proved to be a lot more complex than I expected. And I’m very happy about that. But still, even though I retired in 2009 from professional racing, I’m still involved in many things in motorsport, and I’m still learning a lot from these new experiences. 

 

“My dream one day would be to run a good team, or be the head of a manufacturing program. To be the head of a competitive motorsport corporation maybe. I’m still working on that.”

Tell us a random fact about yourself that your fans might not know…

“I have kind of an international family: my wife is Belgian and my two boys, they grew up abroad.” [Pause] “I have a passion for a lot of things, so it’s hard for me to sit down and do nothing. I like to build small plastic models, for example. I’ve done that throughout my whole life since I was a young boy.

 

“I like to eat, sometimes too much! And I like to cook. I love speed! I love skiing, high-speed. I love aviation. 

 

“And I still like travelling, despite spending a whole life on the road. I’d love to go to Africa. Not because I am with Team Africa Le Mans this weekend, but mostly, apart from a few small holidays, I’ve only been to places for motorsport: America, quite a lot; the Far East, a lot; all over Europe obviously. And so many people tell me that Africa is such a special place. One is [six-time 24 Hours of Le Mans winner] Jacky Ickx, who is a good friend. I’ve always wanted to visit Africa, but, because I like to live with intensity, I fear I might accidentally not come back!”

Finally, what do you enjoy most about competing in the 24H SERIES?

“I have done quite a number of 24-hour races, mainly Le Mans, at Nürburgring and Daytona. And CREVENTIC has created long-distance races for a… let’s say, drivers with a lower-level of expertise. I think [the 24H SERIES] has found a very important niche in the market, and it’s a very well-run series done a very professional way. I really like it.

 

“At every 24-hour race, I also enjoy the teamwork. Many people think motorsport is a selfish sport. Often it is. But in a 24-hour race, you have to create a bond with the people around you and make sure that what you have is used to its best potential. That’s what we have at Team Africa Le Mans. Some of these guys I’ve worked with before, and some of them I’d never met before this weekend. But we’re all creating a bond for this race.

 

“This weekend, we are just here to do the best that we can because we’re definitely far away from winning the race! We’ve already had quite a lot of ‘emergencies’ that would have put other teams on their knees! Sometimes you cry through these journeys, but in the end, we’re still very happy about what we’re doing and what we’ve already achieved. That’s what so 24-hour racing is really all about. The people.”

 

*Emanuele Pirro was speaking with Aniek Volleberg at the 2024 Hankook 24H BARCELONA. Before our interview, the Le Mans legend and Team Africa Le Mans had already suffered multiple refueling and diff pump issues, and the team would lose further time in the gravel before eventually collecting the chequered flag in a very hard-earned 7th in GT4. 

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